February TriggerTalk Article – Guns and the Internet

People have bought and sold firearms for 100’s of years. Today either directly from a manufacturer or dealer or long ago from the General Store when they went to town for their monthly supplies.

When I was young firearms could be ordered from an ad in the back of a magazine or the most wonderful of all publications the “Sears Catalog”. If you could save the money and get your Mom or Dad to write a check, a box would soon show up on your doorstep.

Today we have the internet, a virtual unlimited source of information to assist us. Many people look up historical information or specifications on guns they own, or would like to own. There are forums for all types of the shooting sports, specific forums for a certain brand or model, country of origin, or period of time.

Remember anything you read on the internet is often influenced by personal preference. It goes with saying that if you surveyed the members of the Glock Owners Forum  what handgun is the best, you could reasonably predict the outcome of that Poll.

One area that is often brought up the anti-gun groups is “Internet Sales”. You would think that there were websites called “Illegal Guns are Us” , “No Questions Asked Gun Sales” or “We Ship Em – You Shoot Em”

Internet sales and auction sites such as E-Bay has spawned similar sights for firearms, accessories and ammunition. In addition to typical websites for companies that previously used printed sales methods such as flyers, direct mail, and catalogs there are now stand alone online auctions.

Years ago if you were looking for a particular firearm you were limited to stores withing your immediate area or major stores with a national presence. There was often no way to connect with someone clear across the country that has a mint shape or NIB (New in the Box)  rifle or shotgun you have looking years to purchase.

Enter “Gunbroker.com”  which is often used synonomously for online gun auctions just as “Kleenex” is used for Facial Tissues.

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There are several large auctions sites such GunsAmerica, Armslist, Gallery of Guns, Dury’s, etc… These offer both used and new guns while others help people find guns that are in-stock for delivery to a dealer.

The one thing they all have in common is that they follow the rules for legal gun sales. Whether you are a seller or buyer the transactions must take place through a Federal Firearms Licensed Dealer.

If you find a gun that a private individual is selling you enter into a bidding contest with others that are interested in acquiring it. If you win the auction, the method of payment is determined, you provide the FFL information to the seller who confirms it and the gun is shipped to the dealer.

When you go to pick up the firearm, the dealer performs the required paperwork (form 4473) and the NICS background check by calling the FBI and confirming your eligibility.

You also must conform to any required State or local regulations. If your state has a 3 day or 10 day waiting period then you must wait the appropriate time. If a handgun registration must be performed you are required to fulfill that requirement.  The entire procedure is that same as if you just walked in off the street to purchase a firearm from the dealer’s stock.

You may find a bargain, or a rare gun to fill that hole in your collection, be careful I have seen guns go for twice what they’re worth.

 

TriggerTalk Articles

February 7th Show

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Good Discussions, Guests  and Callers today

Take a look at the idiotic device that the Ferguson, MO Police dept. is going to be testing. The first shot fires into a pingpong ball sized polymer projectile to be “Less than Lethal” and then if the assailant keeps attacking the officer the second and subsequent rounds will be normal.

Looks like you would need to leave it on all the time, because you certainly don’t have time to put in on in an emergency!

“The Alternative”

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This is a few years old but with all the recent Hype about Police use of Lethal Force this is worth watching again.

Chris Rock makes a lot of sense in this “Tongue in Cheek” Education Video

Chris Rock – “How not to get your A$$ Kicked by the Police”

 

Tony Catner from Multi Holsters called in to talk about his MADE IN MICHIGAN holsters that are manufactured just minutes from here in Canton MI

Tony talked about his new Elite holster and gave one away along with a matching magazine holder. dozens of listeners called in to enter the give-away.

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Congratulations to Mike from Saline on winning today’s free drawing!

John From Danville called to to talk about cold bluing to touch up a spot on an older Winchester 70 he purchased.

We talked about three products that I have found to be easy to use and produce a nice finish:

1.  Brownell’s Oxpho-Blue

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2. Brownells Dicropan T4

3. Blue Wonder Gun Black

 

Wondering what to do with the carry handles you took of your flattop AR-15’s or M4 Carbines when you put Optics on your rifle?

The Battle Mug

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January 31st Show

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Fun Show Today! I think we need to take a Road Trip to this place in Wyoming, MI

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 Finally some common Sense on this Zero Tolerance BS!

OK lawmaker introduces ‘Common Sense’ bill to stop punishment of children with toy guns

An Oklahoma legislator introduced a bill last week aimed at easing punishments for schoolchildren who chew Pop Tarts into the shape of a gun, use their fingers as guns during imaginary play or otherwise violate many of the school’s strict “no tolerance” policy when it comes to weapons.

The Common Sense Zero Tolerance Act proposed by Rep. Sally Kern will no longer allow school officials to punish, humiliate, intimidate, be condescending to, or bully a student for having possession of a toy gun that is less than five inches, building a gun from toy blocks, using a figure, hand, writing instrument or other object to simulate a gun or making noises which imitate that of a gun.

In addition, the proposed bill also forbids teachers and other staff from disciplining students who chew food into the shape of a gun, wear articles of clothing that support or advance Second Amendment rights or organizations or draw or otherwise possess or produce “a firearm, military vehicle, aircraft or weapon or any object that supports Second Amendment rights or Constitutional freedoms.”

“Real intent, real threats and real weapons should always be dealt with immediately. We need to stop criminalizing children’s imagination and childhood play,” Kern stated in an interview with News 9.

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January 24th Show

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January 17th Show

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 Authorities attempting to solve mystery of 132-year-old rifle found in Great Basin National Park

Park archaeologists from the Great Basin National Park in Nevada discovered an old and weathered rifle leaning against a tree in the park in November, and they are still working to determine the origins of the Winchester Model 1873 rifle.

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The wood was cracked and the barrel rusted, but authorities were still able to pull a serial number from the firearm. The number matched up with shipping records, which date back to 1882, but the records don’t tell to whom or even where the rifle was shipped.

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Park officials have now taken to the more painstaking process of searching newspaper archives and family histories in an attempt to locate any information about the 132-year-old rifle, and how it could possibly have ended up in the remote location.

Walmart refuses to print photo with shotgun, citing it promotes ‘gang culture’

When Stephanie Wehner went to pick up a set of photos of her and her fiancee, Walmart told her it was not their policy to release images that contained weapons.

The photo in question was one of a set of 13 of the happy couple posed together in preparation for their upcoming wedding. While the other 12 were released, the image of the two that included fiancee Mitch Strobl holding his Ruger Red Label shotgun was withheld.

Promotes Gang Culture?

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“She was very nice, but very matter-of-fact, like she was not going to budge or give me my photo,” Wehner told WFAA-TV.

The reason for the refusal? The clerk advised that it was policy to not print pictures that included weapons due to the fact that it, “encouraged gang culture.”

This came as a shock to the couple, but especially to Strobl who posed with the action of the over and under shotgun open to show it was unloaded, and with the muzzle pointed in a safe direction. The avid shooter, in fact, helps produce online hunter’s education and safety videos.

For its part, Walmart, when contacted by local media, advised that the employee in question was misinformed and the chain had no such policy of refusing to print photos that included firearms. Further, while the broad terms of use posted by the retailer for its photo services reserves the right to not assist in the copying of a photograph for a number of reasons to include depictions of criminal activity or offensive language, firearms are not mentioned.

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January 10th 2015 Show

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Show Files are up on the Podcast Page!

Fun show several callers and great discussions!

Ray from Downriver called to talk about the 45 Raptor straight walled cartridge for hunting.

 

 

45 Raptor Cartridge

45 Raptor Cartridge

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We talked about the methods of CPL reneweal and also about Pistol Sales Records. A link to download the Pistol Sales Record PDF for you to print out your own copies is below:

Michigan Pistol Sales Record .pdf file

 

 

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January 3rd 2015 Show

 

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Show Files are up on the Podcast page!

Happy New Year!!!

Fun show on Saturday with several calls from listeners.

We talked about how to comply with Handgun Hunting rules if your semi-auto hold more that six rounds in the Magazine> (Homework Assignment for next week)

Shooting th FNH FiveSeveN and Shotshell reloading!

Governor Snyder vetoes (temporarily we hope) legislation to clarify airguns as not being firearms. Current definitions are below:

Air Gun Definitions

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Anti-Gun PSA encourages Children to steal their parent’s guns and take them to School

This is wrong in so many ways!

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January 2015 TriggerTalk Article: Guns and their History

This week a friend excitedly told me of receiving a “Letter of Provenance” from Browning on a shotgun he inherited from his Grandfather.  For years I’ve heard of people getting a “Colt Letter” but never thought about pursuing one for any of my own firearms until now.

If you are unfamiliar with the term “Colt Letter” or “Letter of Provenance” it is a document that lists the chronology of ownership, custody or location of a historical object.

A quick inventory revealed that over 65% of my guns were purchased used. I pride myself in researching everything there is to know about the design history of my personnel firearms; however I realized some of their individual histories were a mystery to me.

First let me clarify they were all purchased from friends, family, or a licensed dealer, with any required background checks or paperwork performed to the letter of the law.  Being satisfied they are legal with a clean ownership history is good enough for me on modern guns.

What I am interested in, is learning more of the actual history of some of my older firearms. In particular I have a Colt 1911 which from the serial number would indicate was built in September 1918.

Stamped with “U.S. Property” I wonder where it was originally deployed. Was it used here in the U.S. by the Military? Maybe it was in a shipment bound for overseas to support WWI efforts. Did it make it there in time for the Armistice on November 11th?  A Colt letter will also report if the firearm was ever returned to the factory for any kind of service or upgrade.

Similarly I have a 1923 Colt Police Positive in .32 Long Colt, the type of gun popular for law enforcement usage at the time.  Small and under-powered by today’s standards, I wonder what type of usage it received. Finding out what Police Department or Agency it went to would make it just that much more fun to shoot!

Several of the long time gun manufactures such as Colt and Browning have departments to support requests. It is not a free service and can cost from $40 to over $100. That may sound like a lot, but if you have an investment level firearm knowing the ownership of a particular gun can add greatly to the value.

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Guns that once belonged to famous historical figures such as: Soldiers, Movie Stars or even Politicians are highly sought after.  I know it is hard to believe but in the 1920’s through the 1960’s prominent Hollywood actors and actresses were often very active in the shooting sports and spoke frequently of hunting, and trap shooting.  Maybe you just want to know when and where Grandpa purchased his favorite Deer Rifle?

Another source for this information is the Cody Firearms Museum in Cody, Wyoming.  They have serial number ranges and access to sales dates, original configurations, options etc… for other brands such as High Standard, Marlin, Parker, L.C. Smith, Remington, Ruger, Sharps, Savage/Stevens, Smith & Wesson and Winchester.

Every gun in my collection has a reason for being there. I like them because of their historical significance, or a personal attachment to the previous owner or family member.  I’m sending off for letters on the two firearms I mentioned and will keep you informed on what I find out.

Keep your fingers crossed, I’m hoping the Colt 1911 belonged to Sgt. York!

 

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December 27th Show

Show files are up on the Podcast Page!

Fun Post Christmas show today.

We talked about CPL Disclosure that was brought up last week. I description and a link to the Michigan Website governing the CPL disclosure rules is posted below.

What is a Shotgun Choke? We talked about the history and basic purpose of chokes and the relatively recent introduction of interchange choke tubes.We also talked about the selection of the proper choke tube for the style of shooting you are doing.

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I found a great description of selecting shotgun chokes written by Keith Sutton that you may enjoy:

Guide to Shotgun Choke Tubes  Posted by  Keith Sutton

Many hunters give it little thought, but one of the inventions most significant to those who hunt with shotguns is the choke tube — a simple device that allows one to change a gun’s choke and thus alter its pattern and range so a single shotgun can be used effectively in a wide variety of hunting and/or shooting situations.

Interchangeable choke tubes make it easy to hunt under-the-feet game, then transition to longer-range quarry.

Before the invention of choke, all barrels were simply straight tubes with an effective killing range of about 25 to 30 yards. Hits beyond that distance were a matter of luck. The advent of choked barrels ushered in a new age in shotgunning.

A Short History of a Shotgun Choke

The first patent for a shotgun choke was granted in 1866, but it wasn’t until 1969, more than a century later, that Winchester introduced the WinChoke on its Model 1200 and Model 1400 shotguns. The company’s Versalite choke had appeared on its Model 59 autoloader eight years earlier, but the WinChoke was the first widely popular, interchangeable choke-tube system. In 1978, Mossberg introduced its new Accuchoke tube system on its Model 500, followed in 1982 by the Multichoke on Weatherby’s Model 82. By the early 1980s, all shotgun manufacturers were working on and releasing their own versions of the successful screw-in choke tube we’re all familiar with today.

Although decades passed before the choke-tube idea became universally accepted by hunters, the eventual adoption of this interchangeable system by shotgun manufacturers increased the scattergun’s versatility by leaps and bounds and saved shotgunners lots of money as well. No longer is it necessary to buy extra barrels to have different choices in chokes. Many of today’s shotguns come equipped with a variety of screw-in chokes that can be quickly changed with the twist of a wrench. And many specialist companies offer retrofitting of fixed-choked guns, as well as custom-design replacement choke tubes for factory-threaded barrels.

Types of Choke Tubes

A choke tube constricts a gun’s shot charge to hold it together longer before the shot spreads, thus giving a denser shot pattern at longer range than an open choke or no choke at all. In some ways, it’s comparable to the nozzle at the end of a garden hose, controlling the spread of shot like the nozzle controls the spray of water, making it narrower or wider as needed.

A choke tube also determines to some extent the shotgun’s effective range. The tighter the constriction of the tube, the farther the range. For example, a full choke is most effective at 40 to 50 yards; an improved cylinder is most effective from 20 to 35 yards.

The most commonly used choke tubes are these:

Super-Full/Extra-Full: Sometimes called “gobbler getters,” these are ideally suited for the head shots necessary when turkey hunting. They have extra-tight constrictions and the densest patterns.

Full: This choke has tight constriction and a dense pattern, delivering approximately 70 percent of a shell’s total pellets in a 30-inch circle at 40 yards. It’s often used for trap shooting, waterfowl pass shooting, turkey hunting and buckshot loads.

Modified: This choke has less constriction than a full choke, delivering approximately 60 percent of a shell’s total pellets in a 30-inch circle at 40 yards. It’s great for general waterfowl hunting and hunting distant-flushing upland birds and small-game animals such as late-season pheasants and rabbits. Also used for trap shooting.

Improved Cylinder: Even less constricted than modified, the improved cylinder distributes approximately 50 percent of a shell’s total pellets in a 30-inch circle at 40 yards. This often is the choice of hunters shooting waterfowl close over decoys or pursuing close-quarters upland birds such as quail, grouse and pheasants. Rifled slugs usually perform well with this choke.

Cylinder: With no constriction, this choke distributes approximately 40 percent of a shell’s total pellets in a 30-inch circle at 40 yards. It’s most often used by law enforcement for service shotguns.

Skeet: This choke distributes approximately 50 percent of a shell’s total pellets in a 30-inch circle at 25 yards. It’s designed to deliver optimum patterns for close-range skeet shooting.

Specialty tubes are built for certain types of shot, such as the Carlson’s Super Steel Choke Tube.

Specialty Tubes

Specialty choke tubes are built for certain types of shot. For example, the steel shot required when hunting waterfowl is harder on shotguns than lead shot and patterns differently than lead. Waterfowl choke tubes are built stronger than traditional choke tubes made only for lead shot. They also are built so steel shot, which doesn’t pattern as well as lead shot, will hold a tighter pattern. There also are specialty tubes made specifically for use with Hevi-Shot, tungsten and other materials.

 Patterning

Because different guns pattern differently, even with the same load and choke, the only way to know for certain how a choke tube/load combination will perform downrange is to pattern-test it on paper. If you hunt waterfowl, this also is important because steel shot patterns differently than lead. (You should shoot a more open choke with steel than you would with lead to get a similar pattern density at a given range.) Many other variations can affect performance as well — copper-plated versus straight lead, for example — making it important to check how your gun performs with a certain load and choke tube.

Start by obtaining choke tubes indicated for the type shooting you do and pattern them with your favorite load. To do this, shoot off a rest at a center mark in a 30-inch circle at 40 yards. Full choke should put 70 percent of the shot in the circle, modified 60 percent, improved cylinder 45 percent. Cylinder, or no choke at all, should shoot from 25 to 35 percent.

With interchangeable choke tubes, a hunter can use the same shotgun for hunting up-close decoying ducks in the morning and pass-shooting longer range geese in the afternoon.

If, for example, the ammo you are shooting is loaded with 1-1/4 ounces of No. 2 steel shot, it contains approximately 156 pellets. If you count 94 pellet holes, your shotgun placed 61 percent of the shot charge inside the circle, revealing that the load is delivering modified performance. To get a better picture of how the gun is performing, shoot at least five patterns with the same load and average the results.

If your pattern test reveals less than satisfactory performance for the type shooting you do, try a couple of different loads — maybe up or down a shot size or slightly hotter or less powerful. If that isn’t satisfactory, spend $20 or so on a new choke tube and either tighten or loosen the choke one size before patterning again. Sooner or later, you’ll hit a combination ideal for your shotgun.

To determine the maximum effective range of a choke/load combination, you also can try this method. Let’s say you do a lot of wingshooting. Start by shooting paper at 20 yards and then back off from the pattern board in 5-yard increments, shooting patterns at each distance. When the percentage of shot inside the 30-inch circle drops below 65 percent, you have exceeded the maximum range for that particular combination.

Another way to check the effectiveness of your gun on your chosen game animal is to draw a picture of the critter on a target and shoot it at your usual range. See if the pattern actually would kill the animal. See if there are holes in the pattern. See if different loads and chokes will give a better pattern.

The beauty of using a variety of choke tubes is they turn one gun into several specialized guns, depending on the choke tube that is in the barrel. For every style of shotgun shooting, there is a choke tube that fits that style, and the shotgunner can greatly increase his or her marksmanship by choosing and using the right choke.

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